Comments on: guest post: the overlap in the gay rights and feminist movement http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html love. justice. family. equality. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:08:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: dgmpumzpeg http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1776 dgmpumzpeg Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:47:40 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1776 Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! pfriskpjhkn Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! pfriskpjhkn

]]> By: Harry Nagendra http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1520 Harry Nagendra Wed, 30 May 2007 01:48:05 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1520 About balance About balance

]]> By: Harry Nagendra http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1519 Harry Nagendra Wed, 30 May 2007 01:47:25 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1519 "LGBT community should focus on our own issues first." Logical, it is. “LGBT community should focus on our own issues first.”

Logical, it is.

]]> By: Mike http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1517 Mike Wed, 30 May 2007 00:19:00 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1517 I must confess I didn't realize what I wrote was so troublesome. I hear the same opinion being expressed by many in the LGBTQ community. And, I don't think it’s controversial to question our leadership when we feel it is going astray. "If we want to fight for human rights, we need to fight for all human rights equally, and I believe that we need to fight together" I agree we need allies. At the same time, many of us are tired of being expected to support politicians or organizations which do not support us in return. I don't mind supporting other groups and their struggles - as long as their issues do not overshadow our own. I appreciate your very informative and thought provoking response to my post. It did cause me to reflect on some of what I wrote; however, I still stand by my ultimate point that the LGBT community should focus on our own issues first. I must confess I didn’t realize what I wrote was so troublesome. I hear the same opinion being expressed by many in the LGBTQ community. And, I don’t think it’s controversial to question our leadership when we feel it is going astray.

“If we want to fight for human rights, we need to fight for all human rights equally, and I believe that we need to fight together”

I agree we need allies. At the same time, many of us are tired of being expected to support politicians or organizations which do not support us in return. I don’t mind supporting other groups and their struggles - as long as their issues do not overshadow our own.

I appreciate your very informative and thought provoking response to my post. It did cause me to reflect on some of what I wrote; however, I still stand by my ultimate point that the LGBT community should focus on our own issues first.

]]> By: dew http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1483 dew Sun, 27 May 2007 03:01:22 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1483 I absolutely agree that we all need to fight together for all human rights. We need male feminists and we need straight gay rights advocates. We need all people who believe in equality in all its forms working for it. For everyone. As a female feminist, if I were to abandon what strides I take to promote GLBTQ rights, then I would be abandoning a lot of women. I can't separate those two things. Nor can I separate one underdog from another. As a member of a couple marginalized groups, I'm going to be looking out for all marginalized people. I absolutely agree that we all need to fight together for all human rights.

We need male feminists and we need straight gay rights advocates. We need all people who believe in equality in all its forms working for it. For everyone.

As a female feminist, if I were to abandon what strides I take to promote GLBTQ rights, then I would be abandoning a lot of women. I can’t separate those two things.

Nor can I separate one underdog from another. As a member of a couple marginalized groups, I’m going to be looking out for all marginalized people.

]]> By: Harry Nagendra http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1482 Harry Nagendra Sun, 27 May 2007 01:53:56 +0000 http://www.familypride.org/blog/2007/05/guest-post-the-overlap-in-the-gay-rights-and-feminist-movement.html#comment-1482 I'm very pleased with the post you've written. The way you break down the common needs and struggles of the gay and feminist causes. My favorite juxtaposition, one that is worth keeping in front of our heads, was the comparison of how both women and LGBT people are fighting to be free from violence, with domestic violence and rape being women's worst enemy and homophobic and transphobic hate violence being the LGBT people's worst enemy. I recently watched Joe Solmenese on Tucker Carlson talking about the hate crimes bill we're trying to pass. Tucker went on that classic conservative opposition, "why are we protecting some people more than others?" First I feel that's an false point. Second, there is a good answer to Tucker's more reasonable (but unstated) question? "Why do we need this law when we already have anti-violence laws?" Here is the answer: Because violence attacks different communities in different ways, and anti-violence law should be made to adapt to these different attacks. You don't fight an elephant with an anti-tiger gun and you don't fight a tiger with a gun meant to kill rhinos. You can't use the same technique to fight different attacks. Karate has different defenses for different attacks. So does our beloved military, as our pro-war leaders love to remind us. So lets adjust to the reality that police officers can get lazy when investigating the rape of a woman who was "dressing like she wanted it" or the beating of a transgender person who was "being deceptive". We need to make sure local authorities do their job in terms of investigation and prosecution. The victim's identitity shouldn't matter. Coppers, you better do your job. We'll be watching. At least if this damn bill passes. And I bet VAWA could use a boost too, yes? I’m very pleased with the post you’ve written. The way you break down the common needs and struggles of the gay and feminist causes. My favorite juxtaposition, one that is worth keeping in front of our heads, was the comparison of how both women and LGBT people are fighting to be free from violence, with domestic violence and rape being women’s worst enemy and homophobic and transphobic hate violence being the LGBT people’s worst enemy.

I recently watched Joe Solmenese on Tucker Carlson talking about the hate crimes bill we’re trying to pass. Tucker went on that classic conservative opposition, “why are we protecting some people more than others?” First I feel that’s an false point. Second, there is a good answer to Tucker’s more reasonable (but unstated) question? “Why do we need this law when we already have anti-violence laws?”

Here is the answer: Because violence attacks different communities in different ways, and anti-violence law should be made to adapt to these different attacks. You don’t fight an elephant with an anti-tiger gun and you don’t fight a tiger with a gun meant to kill rhinos. You can’t use the same technique to fight different attacks. Karate has different defenses for different attacks. So does our beloved military, as our pro-war leaders love to remind us.

So lets adjust to the reality that police officers can get lazy when investigating the rape of a woman who was “dressing like she wanted it” or the beating of a transgender person who was “being deceptive”. We need to make sure local authorities do their job in terms of investigation and prosecution. The victim’s identitity shouldn’t matter. Coppers, you better do your job. We’ll be watching.

At least if this damn bill passes. And I bet VAWA could use a boost too, yes?

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